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Re: Mount Barney Routes Ranked

Postby Drazah » Sun 11 Sep, 2016 6:41 pm

There were 2 main waterfalls that you have to find a way around. The first one I climbed up a easy looking rock step on the left hand side which turned out to be a pretty sketchy route and one I wouldn't recommend. The second waterfall I headed up the bank on the right hand side. There were heaps of blow downs that I had to fight through which was pretty tough but eventually got through it and rejoined the creek. These are the only 2 tricky sections the rest of the assent is just rock hopping and scrambling up the creek to the saddle. its a beautiful walk up the creek and a good change from always climbing on ridges.
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Re: Mount Barney Routes Ranked

Postby Champion_Munch » Sun 11 Sep, 2016 9:00 pm

Great, sounds like a worthwhile track to tackle. Your route description reminds me of Egan Creek, which I very much enjoyed. With any luck there won't be any more rain this week and I can give it a shot next weekend.
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Re: Mount Barney Routes Ranked

Postby iTool » Sun 25 Sep, 2016 10:14 pm

Went up SE ridge today, someone's left a rope around the tree down wave rock. Parts of the slab were a bit wet so it definitely speeded up our ascent!

QPWS were also doing visitor surveys when we got back down. Interestingly their "mark today's route on this map" part of the survey form only included SE and S ridges.
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Re: Mount Barney Routes Ranked

Postby Nungulba » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 1:54 pm

Champion_Munch wrote:Still climbing mountains into your 70s Nungulba, that's incredible - I hope I am still able to summit Barney at that age!

A query for experienced Barney walkers: for my next trip, I am thinking of heading up Barney Gorge, across to West Peak and then down Midget Ridge. Is this actually achievable in a day, or am I really pushing it (starting from car park)? For comparison, the other routes I've done have taken: SE/South 6 hrs; SE/Egan Ck 9 hrs; North/South 8 hrs. I usually start walking around 7-7:30am, so with sunset after 5:30pm that would give me 10-11 hours of light, perhaps a little more if I started a bit earlier.

The route would be entirely new to me past the Lower Portals, and I've read that midget ridge is fairly scrubby so not quite sure how long the descent would take. I really enjoyed Egan Creek and would like to explore more of the western areas, particularly the gorge. I imagine that if Barney gorge takes longer than anticipated I could bail out and just head back down the south ridge and back along the roads, but it would be nice to get up to West Peak for once.


Thanks, Champ!

Hopefully (health permitting) there will be another Barney pilgrimage next winter. Looking at repeating a walk I did in the late 60s - a sort of "variation" of Logan's - which avoided the tricky bits by detouring right (away from the East face) as required. I was carrying a pack so couldn't have been too bad!! A short chimney at the top, as I recall?

The main advantage of the Eastern approaches to Barney is that you don't have lengthy "walk-ins" to the start of the climb proper.

Also looking at Rocky Creek as an "up route". Seems intuitively easier than going down (despite all the guidebooks!)
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Re: Mount Barney Routes Ranked

Postby Art » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 12:56 am

Some nice pics there! :)

Rather than trying to explain to an unexpected Human visitor at Yellow Pinch Lookout what I was doing there today,
I walked up a trail and hid for an hour and a half, and came back later :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEyZdGWASl8

This is a hobby project, going for something with the resolution of a Garmin Gecko, with functionality closer to eTrex Legend.
This was the first test outdoors, and I have certainly been fitter!
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Re: Mount Barney Routes Ranked

Postby Champion_Munch » Wed 19 Oct, 2016 12:09 pm

Nungulba wrote:Also looking at Rocky Creek as an "up route". Seems intuitively easier than going down (despite all the guidebooks!)


Interesting that you say that, reminds me of something I came across recently - posted by Quasymody, a Barney veteran who posts photos on Flickr and also includes some historical tidbits from time to time. Interesting to read through comments on this newspaper article of an ascent in 1918: https://www.flickr.com/photos/51979177@ ... 4372408777. Emphasis mine.

The trio climbed up 'the Great Gorge' (ie. Rocky Creek - which appears to have been the common ascent route until the 1950s)...from there they headed off to climb West Peak, where they found the cairn erected by Milford school teacher H.W. Johns and others in 1904, along with a brass name plate left by H.W. Johns, R.A. Wearne and Michael O'Connor in 1910. On the way down West Peak, Gaylard then made off alone for East Peak, whilst the others made their way over to the East/North Pk saddle. After climbing East Peak, Gaylard rejoined the others at the East/North Pk saddle and they returned via Rocky Creek...not quite making it out of the creek by nightfall...whereupon they waited until 8.30 for the moon to rise, eventually returning to Lilydale at 11.00PM!


What a monster of a day! And the clothes they were wearing...
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Re: Mount Barney Routes Ranked

Postby Champion_Munch » Wed 19 Oct, 2016 2:02 pm

A couple of weeks ago I went in for another Barney adventure, up Barney Gorge to West Peak and down Midget Ridge. Thanks to Drazah for the tips on Gorge times/route. From Portals carpark it took 6 hours to West Peak, and then another 6 hours back down to the carpark - so a very long day in the end. No difficult climbing moments on this route, just long and tiring. The hardest 'climbing' moment was in negotiating the final cliffs high up on west peak. Rather than take it direct, I moved further to the south, where the cliffs thinned out - here there was a serious drop immediately below, so no room for errors! Probably the most 'exposure' I've come across on Barney so far. If heading back down to the saddle, it might be easier to descend Midge Ridge initially and then contour back around, though this would add more time.

I followed notes from the Take A Walk guidebook for ascending the Gorge, which was pretty much spot on. The detour at the first major waterfall took considerably longer than I expected, through thick bush around the cliffs at the right. It might have been quicker to detour further west and avoid some of the steep, scrubby sections I climbed through. The Gorge itself was very pretty, although very hot as it opens up directly towards the morning/midday sun. I wouldn't be keen to try this any later in the year, except perhaps as a down route in the afternoon when the sun is more obscured.

To my surprise there were excellent views between West Peak and Midget Peak, despite what I've read elsewhere. Lost quite a bit of time and energy in locating the cliffbreak at the knoll below Midget Peak and ended up on a bash through rough bush and over some questionably steep and sloping slabs. Rest of the ridge was straight-forward.

By the time I was back at the Barney Gorge campsite, it was getting close to sunset time. I spoke to some campers (surprisingly, the only people I saw all day) who were really lovely and offered me some crackers and dip. 'Bob' seemed particularly knowledgeable about the Barney and the Rim, and later I wondered if perhaps I had unknowingly bumped into Mr Rankin, from Secrets of the Scenic Rim fame... seemed about the right age and all. Coincidentally, I had been thinking about Rankin's 'Barney all-peaks' epic throughout the hike, and later realised it was the same day 34 years later.

It was dark by the time I was back at the Portals, and getting back to the carpark took twice as long as it had going the other way in the morning. Wouldn't attempt this route in a day again, unless I was starting/ending at the Gorge campsite - it's simply too long and tiring for a mere mortal such as myself. I was horribly nauseous during the last hour and far too exhausted to enjoy the 'easy' walk out. Later realised I had drank in excess of 6 L water during the day, which might not have helped... next time I will bring electrolytes!
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Leptospermum species near West Peak
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Leaning Peak and Barney's eastern ridgeline from Midget Peak. Gorge lies between this ridge and where the photo was taken
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Mt Maroon from Midget Peak
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Re: Mount Barney Routes Ranked

Postby Nungulba » Fri 28 Oct, 2016 4:57 pm

Champion_Munch wrote:
Nungulba wrote:Also looking at Rocky Creek as an "up route". Seems intuitively easier than going down (despite all the guidebooks!)


Interesting that you say that, reminds me of something I came across recently - posted by Quasymody, a Barney veteran who posts photos on Flickr and also includes some historical tidbits from time to time. Interesting to read through comments on this newspaper article of an ascent in 1918: https://www.flickr.com/photos/51979177@ ... 4372408777. Emphasis mine.

The trio climbed up 'the Great Gorge' (ie. Rocky Creek - which appears to have been the common ascent route until the 1950s)...from there they headed off to climb West Peak, where they found the cairn erected by Milford school teacher H.W. Johns and others in 1904, along with a brass name plate left by H.W. Johns, R.A. Wearne and Michael O'Connor in 1910. On the way down West Peak, Gaylard then made off alone for East Peak, whilst the others made their way over to the East/North Pk saddle. After climbing East Peak, Gaylard rejoined the others at the East/North Pk saddle and they returned via Rocky Creek...not quite making it out of the creek by nightfall...whereupon they waited until 8.30 for the moon to rise, eventually returning to Lilydale at 11.00PM!


What a monster of a day! And the clothes they were wearing...


Thanks for the memorabilia - nearly 100 years ago! I'm afraid I can't compete with that!!!

While talking about "past publications", though, old Queenslanders may remember "Heybob", a notable production by the members of the Queensland University walking club. As this thread concerns Mt Barney, I include here a link to the UQMC website where you will find a scanned version of the original Mt Barney Guide. It makes for very interesting reading, especially the following (apropos Rocky Creek):

"It was intended that the article on flora would be written by Mr Lindesay Smith, Senior Botanist with the Department of Primary Industries. Mr Smith visited Mt Barney on 12th September, 1970, to collect specimens for this article and while in the upper reaches of Rocky Creek, he collapsed and died."

A "cautionary tale' perhaps?

http://uqmc.org/about/archives
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Re: Mount Barney Routes Ranked

Postby billiamda » Thu 06 Apr, 2017 4:55 pm

Hey, I'd like to add a quick note about my trip up North Ridge yesterday - decided to do that one after reading this thread. I'd previously done South and SE ridges without too many problems.

The ridge itself wasn't too difficult to follow - I used the trail notes from bushwalking australia and found them largely accurate if not always thorough. Had to duck under a gate with a 'no trespassing' sign for the Logan's access - not sure if this has always been there? Once on the ridge itslef there were some reasonably sustained segments of rock scrambling on par with Mt Tibrogargan / Beerwah and some reasonably steep gullies to ascend, but nothing I felt I needed a rope for. Good views until cloud engulfed us about 3 quarters of the way up. It took us about 6 hours to reach North peak from Yellowpinch (left at 630 am).

We had initially planned on descending Rocky Ck, but it looking pretty steep. Taking into account the recent rain, our lack of familiarity with the route, and relatively amateur rope skills, we made a change of plan and decided to trek down to the main east-west saddle and descend SE ridge. This was very tough going and took much longer than expected due to the difficultly of the terrain and thickness of the underbrush - we ended up tracking quite far down the saddle and had to work our way back up past the falls of Barney creek. We were very relieved when we arrived into the Rum Jungle at 3.30, about 3 hours after leaving North Peak! Descent was uncomplicated from there, the track up Peasant's was looking quite eroded following the recent rain though. Strolled thankfully into Yellowpinch, arms raised, as the last of the light left the sky at 6pm.

Lessons I took for future Barney adventures:
1/ Don't plan on two unfamiliar routes for a planned day trip
2/ Off-route travel can be seriously slow going
3/ Take good wet weather gear - I definitely had inadequate gear and me and my bag were thoroughly soaked from the many hours spent in cloud at the summit. If I'd had to spend an unplanned night there I would have been freezing cold. Good rain jacket and waterproofed bag are a must even with minimal rain forecasted.

Hope this helps anyone planning North Ridge! Yesterday I was pretty convinced I wouldn't do another Barney trek for a fair while but I think it won't be too long before I get the itch again.
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Re: Mount Barney Routes Ranked

Postby cams » Wed 12 Apr, 2017 9:29 am

billiamda wrote:Hey, I'd like to add a quick note about my trip up North Ridge yesterday - decided to do that one after reading this thread. I'd previously done South and SE ridges without too many problems.

The ridge itself wasn't too difficult to follow - I used the trail notes from bushwalking australia and found them largely accurate if not always thorough. Had to duck under a gate with a 'no trespassing' sign for the Logan's access - not sure if this has always been there? Once on the ridge itslef there were some reasonably sustained segments of rock scrambling on par with Mt Tibrogargan / Beerwah and some reasonably steep gullies to ascend, but nothing I felt I needed a rope for. Good views until cloud engulfed us about 3 quarters of the way up. It took us about 6 hours to reach North peak from Yellowpinch (left at 630 am).

We had initially planned on descending Rocky Ck, but it looking pretty steep. Taking into account the recent rain, our lack of familiarity with the route, and relatively amateur rope skills, we made a change of plan and decided to trek down to the main east-west saddle and descend SE ridge. This was very tough going and took much longer than expected due to the difficultly of the terrain and thickness of the underbrush - we ended up tracking quite far down the saddle and had to work our way back up past the falls of Barney creek. We were very relieved when we arrived into the Rum Jungle at 3.30, about 3 hours after leaving North Peak! Descent was uncomplicated from there, the track up Peasant's was looking quite eroded following the recent rain though. Strolled thankfully into Yellowpinch, arms raised, as the last of the light left the sky at 6pm.

Lessons I took for future Barney adventures:
1/ Don't plan on two unfamiliar routes for a planned day trip
2/ Off-route travel can be seriously slow going
3/ Take good wet weather gear - I definitely had inadequate gear and me and my bag were thoroughly soaked from the many hours spent in cloud at the summit. If I'd had to spend an unplanned night there I would have been freezing cold. Good rain jacket and waterproofed bag are a must even with minimal rain forecasted.

Hope this helps anyone planning North Ridge! Yesterday I was pretty convinced I wouldn't do another Barney trek for a fair while but I think it won't be too long before I get the itch again.


What an adventure! Good one. :)
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Re: Mount Barney Routes Ranked

Postby Nungulba » Wed 19 Apr, 2017 1:16 pm

Yes, as Cams said, a "ripper" of a report! Mt Barney seems to be in danger of being over-run by scrub/undergrowth. I noticed same last year, when I returned after an absence of forty years. Don't know whether Parks & Wildlife should look into this as even the "easy" routes can be a challenge, especially on the upper flanks of the mountain, where there have been serious bushfires in recent years.

It's getting to the stage where Logan's is beginning to look an easier proposition than some of the lesser ridges!!!
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Re: Mount Barney Routes Ranked

Postby Champion_Munch » Wed 26 Jul, 2017 9:25 pm

Was back at Barney again last week... up SE and down North, lots of fun! I got to thinking on the way down that I'd like to give Rocky Creek a go next time I'm there. wokket gave some good tips on how to use a rope in this thread, but I'm not sure what kind of rope I should take, and where would I get it from? Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Mount Barney Routes Ranked

Postby cams » Thu 27 Jul, 2017 11:32 am

Champion_Munch wrote:Was back at Barney again last week... up SE and down North, lots of fun! I got to thinking on the way down that I'd like to give Rocky Creek a go next time I'm there. wokket gave some good tips on how to use a rope in this thread, but I'm not sure what kind of rope I should take, and where would I get it from? Any help would be appreciated.


I would highly recommend you do something like Pinnacle's abseiling course. Pretty cheap investment to gain these sorts of skills. https://www.pinnaclesports.com.au/pages ... tch-course

They will be able to give you advice on equipment selection too. To use for actual abseiling something like 8mm cord or dynamic climbing rope would probably be good. If just pack hauling you could go thinner or use tape/webbing. Either way climbing shops are the place to go for this type of equipment as well as good advice. Like Pinnacle, or K2 in Brisbane.
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Re: Mount Barney Routes Ranked

Postby tomh » Thu 27 Jul, 2017 4:29 pm

9mm static rope (some call it cord) available K2. Static for abseiling, dynamic for rockclimbing. However I carry 12m of 25mm tubular tape for 'rope-assisted descents' eg steep slab of wet rock. Tape (some call it webbing) is lighter, more flexible and easier to pack but has a shorter life, also available K2.
Some years ago I did abseiling courses with the Queensland Wilderness Adventure Club in Brisbane (for some reason it is part of the Adventist Church but religion or belief plays no part in the courses and anyone can attend). They have a web site but it now appears inactive, needs a phone call to see if they still hold courses.
For a simple 'rope-assisted descent' to get past an obstacle such as the Rocky Creek waterfalls, Google search for 'classic abseils' which really means older abseiling techniques that only needed rope, not all the equipment that is used now. However for safety you must use all the right equipment (and a longer rope!) when the abseil is bigger and/or vertical.
This may be useful-
Abseiling Techniques Manual
Check the 'Classic Abseil' technique on page 11.
Your rope is looped around tree or boulder where you are descending from so that you can pull the rope down at the end of the descent (That meant my 12m tape could only get me a 6m descent. Sufficient for most obstacles.) Nothing other than rope or tape needed.
....And you can bypass the Rocky Creek waterfalls; climb out of the creek on the southern bank and go up through the scrub a few meters to be right at the base of the cliff-face and continue at the base until past the waterfalls.
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Re: Mount Barney Routes Ranked

Postby gbagua » Fri 28 Jul, 2017 11:22 am

billiamda wrote: This was very tough going and took much longer than expected due to the difficultly of the terrain and thickness of the underbrush - we ended up tracking quite far down the saddle and had to work our way back up past the falls of Barney Creek

Lessons I took for future Barney adventures:

2/ Off-route travel can be seriously slow going.



:lol:

I well remember that hike. Aug. 2013. The bush bash from North Peak to West Peak took a good toll of the three of us. Never again. I heard Midget Ridge is even worse, the whole thing is a scrub torture in hell :twisted: .One I'll never do.

Off to Mezzanine in a couple of weeks and then later hikes: Eagles and Long Leaning to complete Barney adventures.

So far Short Leaning has been the most fulfilling hike I have done in Australia by far. A real pleasure of a hike.
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