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Re: Falls Creek to Mt Hotham Alpine Crossing

Postby Xplora » Thu 02 Feb, 2017 5:45 am

Many of the MTB aspects or concerns are covered in the Greater ANP management plan. Regarding road cycling - Scody 3 peaks starts at Falls Creek with about 3000 entrants. Audax has a number of rides over Australia Day long weekend which are Bright centred and more than a 1000 cyclists. Consider the others who come just to help or watch and you have more than the FHAC will ever see in one year packed into 2 weekends. I had a friend doing some Audax rides and we thought we could catch up as he was not far from Tawonga on Saturday. He said it was a 'seething mass of humanity'. Enough for me to say see you next time your up let alone dodging more bikes. There seems to be bike events on all the time during the warmer months in the Nth East which will pull much more money into the area than this plan and without spending much. It is not clear though what number is actually needed to make this plan worthwhile as far as PV or the government is concerned. If it is about keeping the resorts relevant then the government may consider taking the loss given the amount of money these two resorts inject into the Alpine shire. Labor governments have a habit of spending public money on stupid ideas in an attempt to stimulate the economy. It is interesting though to see some significant building projects underway in Falls Creek at the moment. Ads for carpenters at present if any are interested. $40/hr plus accommodation.
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Re: Falls Creek to Mt Hotham Alpine Crossing

Postby Lophophaps » Thu 02 Feb, 2017 7:54 am

Xplora, those figures are quite interesting. Do you know of any reasonably accurate figures for how much the rides put into the local economy?

Using the flawed DMP figure of a spend of $137 a day (DMP page 84) and two days this is $250,000 spent per 1000 people. The only expenditure that I can enivisage is shire admin and perhaps shire staff at a few points on ride days. The ride organisers would have their own traffic control.

So it could be shire spend $10,000, return $250,000. This is a huge return on investment, far better than the FHAC. Of course this is just 1000 people for one weekend. With more events, more people (staff, family, etc) and a bigger number of riders I can see $1-2 million a year spent. Whatever the precise figures the ROI is still big, and many will return to the region.

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Re: Falls Creek to Mt Hotham Alpine Crossing

Postby Lophophaps » Thu 02 Feb, 2017 2:32 pm

I looked at the Alpine Resorts Governance Reform report and quickly gave up. The font is so faded as to make it tiring to read. Time was when screens had nice black fonts that were easy to read. this report fails the contrast test. Not happy.
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Re: Falls Creek to Mt Hotham Alpine Crossing

Postby bernieq » Mon 06 Feb, 2017 1:16 pm

Just concluded a meeting with my local State member. As I've posted previously, he was unaware of the FHAC Master Plan until my initial phone call.

He now has a better understanding of why I think the Plan is flawed. I, also, have a better understanding of what are the more politically important issues.

Financial matters were not that important - the $$ are relatively small and the idea of increased eco-tourism is a strong positive. The exclusion of groups already using the area, in favour of a different group, was more important.

I spent some time discussing why this proposal could not work like the Tasmanian Overland Track, allowing independant walkers and high-value walkers to co-exist. The assumption being that it works on the Overland so it will work for this track - important to debunk that assumption.

Also important, politically, were potential environmental impacts and the loss of amenity (sense of remoteness) that building on the Diamantina would entail.

So, again, I would call on everyone who cares about this region to contact their local State member and at least register their dissatisfaction with the Draft Master Plan. Numbers really do make the difference.
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Re: Falls Creek to Mt Hotham Alpine Crossing

Postby madmacca » Fri 17 Feb, 2017 2:57 pm

Lophophaps wrote:Xplora, those figures are quite interesting. Do you know of any reasonably accurate figures for how much the rides put into the local economy?

Using the flawed DMP figure of a spend of $137 a day (DMP page 84) and two days this is $250,000 spent per 1000 people. The only expenditure that I can enivisage is shire admin and perhaps shire staff at a few points on ride days. The ride organisers would have their own traffic control.

So it could be shire spend $10,000, return $250,000. This is a huge return on investment, far better than the FHAC. Of course this is just 1000 people for one weekend. With more events, more people (staff, family, etc) and a bigger number of riders I can see $1-2 million a year spent. Whatever the precise figures the ROI is still big, and many will return to the region.

This line is worth following.


I did the Audax Alpine Classic ride over the Aust Day weekend. Numbers were said to be down a bit, as it clashed with the Cadel Evans Great Ocean Road Race (race and mass participation ride) - about 1200 I think.

Ride fees were ~$200 - assume that half of this is spent by organisers locally in the shire.
Accomodation - a little tough to estimate - the number of people involved means accomodation operators are charging peak season prices. some people split accomodation with friends doing to the ride as well. Others bring their (non-riding) partner and family with them. A minimum of 2 nights (starts are at 4am or 6.20 am), so night before, and night after. The organising club actually has a week of rides organised beforehand, starting with a cruisey rail trail ride, and working up to hillier and hillier rides. And plenty of people will stay for the long weekend. Say 2.5 nights @ $125 pppd = $310.
Food & drink. Assume $50 pppd.
Sundries. eg. petrol. Assume $50.

So total spend in the shire around $500 per rider. $600K spent in the shire. I was a cheapskate - brought my own food, and stayed in a caravan park (for access to showers). But plenty of riders I know were staying in some pretty flash accomodation to balance this out.

Costs to the shire. Some admin. As noted, event organisers provide their own traffic control. Also, some patching of roads in the week before the event, especially where cyclists are likely to be descending at speed. Although arguably this is just a matter of timing, as the roads would be repaired at some stage anyway. Certainly less than $20K.

And all of this is conducted on existing public roads - no damage to wilderness areas.

I note the Jayco Herald Sun Tour (pro cyclist race) was run over the same roads a week later - involving rolling road closures, etc.
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Re: Falls Creek to Mt Hotham Alpine Crossing

Postby Xplora » Sat 18 Feb, 2017 5:53 am

Madmacca - I had to go to a funeral in Mt. Beauty on that Saturday and was then planning to catch up with a mate in Bright. I called him and said forget it. He said Bright was a 'seething mass of humanity'. Numbers may have been down but there were still plenty of money spent as you have indicated. Even the caravan parks need business. It is interesting the politicians see the amount to be spent as very little but when you tell the neighbouring ranger the amount of money to be spent on track work alone you have to pick his jaw up from the ground. That would run their office for 6 years. Audax gives money to local communities for the hire of facilities and never close roads. Scody 3 peaks closes roads and puts less money back into the community. Scody can bugger off for all I care but with 3000 riders they have significant weight. Falls does well out of them for that weekend and so do the lower towns. Falls Creek has shown it is only interested in opening up for larger groups in summer and until that attitude changes this plan should not be considered. If accommodation operators in Falls Creek do not see enough interest in summer activities to stay open then that says volumes.
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