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Food storage

Postby jackattack » Tue 03 Jan, 2017 6:25 pm

I apologise if there is already an existing thread on this. If so please point me in the right direction.

I am going on a 2 day hike soon where there is a high chance of rats. I do not want my pack or my tent chewed through.

What is your anti "mini bear" system. Is it worth suspending a food bag, USA bear style or do rats and possums just shimmy down the string/rope and rip in. I do not use DEET but thought
of spraying my lunch box with peppermint or lavender oil and leaving outside the tent.

Are there plastic containers more rat and possum proof than others...

What system or container do you use and does it work or not work.

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Re: Food storage

Postby andrewa » Tue 03 Jan, 2017 7:19 pm

Depends a bit on where you're staying. If staying in a hut, I'd suspend my pack from a string. Rats/mice do "abseil" down such strings, so it's not perfect. Fishing line might be better. Harder to abseil down. If in a tent, just zip it up!

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Re: Food storage

Postby Gadgetgeek » Tue 03 Jan, 2017 10:15 pm

I wouldn't spray my gear with anything, its hard to know what an animal will find tasty. I've not had any problems as long as stuff is packed away well, if an animal is going after food, it will just as easily go for toothpaste and soap as anything else. I'd have no concern about keeping my food in my tent, or even in the vestibule, but then again, I have no idea how brave the rats will be where you are, that could play a big role.
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Re: Food storage

Postby Rosscodj » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 2:03 pm

You could try hanging your food bag, and half way up the line, suspend the top curved part of a coke bottle upright with the line running through it. Rats, etc, won't be able to grip onto it, or get to the line below, so they'll either fall off or give up.

...in theory anyway!
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Re: Food storage

Postby Suz » Fri 27 Jan, 2017 3:32 pm

andrewa wrote:If in a tent, just zip it up!
OMG No! Be careful of this one.

I recently woke up at 3am to a rat in my tent on the Light to Light walk. It had chewed a hole in my TT Stratospire (which nows needs even more repairs).

I too am now looking for a rat / ant / possum / lace monitor proof system. I'm thinking about one of those bear hanging bag systems that the Americans have.
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Re: Food storage

Postby Mark F » Fri 27 Jan, 2017 4:31 pm

I always hang my food or have it inside the tent in my pack. For hanging food I have never had a problem with sil-nylon stuff sacks. They seem a bit too slippery for the blighters to hold onto. You could also try cuben fibre bags as the cuben fibre is stronger than steel. I have not heard of anything chewing holes through cuben.

My main concern is having stuff pulled out of the vestibule so I keep it clear overnight. I have almost lost a walking pole used to hold up my shelter after it was dragged 10 metres into undergrowth by a possum. A friend also had a volley stolen by a possum a Pelion in the late afternoon. The possum disappeared 10 metres up a tree with the shoe when chased. Luckily the Volley was a bit too heavy and the possum dropped it.

Suz wrote:I too am now looking for a rat / ant / possum / lace monitor proof system.


How about a mini electric fence or spray the lower portion of the tent with quassia chip solution.
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Re: Food storage

Postby Orion » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 3:08 am

Suz wrote:I'm thinking about one of those bear hanging bag systems that the Americans have.

There was a company selling a "system" like that. But it was really just two stuff sacks and a length of cord. It's unlikely that you'd need to do a counter balance hang to defeat a rat anyway.

If I were worried about rodents or possum I'd take a kevlar bear sack (since I have one - 10 liters, 150g) and tie it off to something sturdy. The first time I went to Australia I used one. But I soon discovered that during the day animals were not really a problem and at night they didn't try to get into the tent, at least where I was walking. So I stopped worrying about it.

On a recent trip to New Zealand we had the same theory... but one night a rodent ate a few holes in our tent trying to get at the food stuff sacks adjacent to the tent walls. After that we kept the food in between us and away from the walls inside the tent. That seemed to be enough, in this case.
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Re: Food storage

Postby Neo » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 1:41 pm

Try a pail with a snap on lid, like a 2kg honey tub or a painters pail from the hardware. If that doesn't work then there is always something like this!
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Re: Food storage

Postby Suz » Mon 30 Jan, 2017 8:55 pm

Lolz Neo.

I'm thinking about getting a Grubpack.
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Re: Food storage

Postby CSpeedy » Fri 03 Feb, 2017 10:36 am

I've also had issues with rodents eating their way through tents and cuben fiber food bags. This was while hiking in south east Queensland
After two such incidents (now patched with gaffer tape) this was our solution for the Carnarvon Great Walk last year.
Five nights food for two people. Cheap plastic containers from the $2 shop, just make sure the lids fit well.

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Re: Food storage

Postby Orion » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 3:37 am

Plastic boxes are kind of bulky, although I suppose you could at least nest them together and wedge other items inside when empty.


I had a mouse keep waking me up recently one night snow camping at ~2000m in Yosemite N.P. He/she didn't pose a threat to my tent but kept making noise bumping up against it, scratching a bit. In the morning I found the mouse had tunneled UNDER the tent floor. Maybe it was warmer there? Couldn't get it to leave so I went around and lifted the corner of the tent and it was just sitting there. I picked the mouse up with my shovel and tossed him 10m or so and he just sat there for about ten minutes, looking at me. I went over to check if he was sick, took his picture. Then suddenly he sprung to life, ran in circles a few times and then hopped away to a nearby tree well.

Later, as I was about to ski off, he ran from that tree well right past me toward another tree, making it to underground safety just a few centimeters ahead of a diving Steller Jay.

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By the way, I love those bagel crackers... wish we could get them here. I'd have brought a bunch home but they wouldn't have fared well in the duffle bags.
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Re: Food storage

Postby WalkGirl84 » Sat 11 Feb, 2017 9:29 am

Does vacuum sealing work? I have started zsealing each days food together in one vacuum pack so by the end of the day there should be no unsealed food in my pack. It certainly prevents ants and roaches but I'm not sure about rats.
Dingoes have nicked a few things from our camps even in broad daylight. Like my best cooking pot, which was empty! And my damn shoe while we were in the river. I got the shoe back but lost a sock. The pot was never found. She also pinched two of the boys matchbox monster trucks and a Hulk figurine. But not the food.
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Re: Food storage

Postby shehaal » Wed 19 Apr, 2017 5:19 pm

Mark F wrote:I have not heard of anything chewing holes through cuben.


My wife and I just attempted a weekend in Wilson's Prom; after the stove stopped working we were low on food but still would've been okay with what we had that didn't need to be cooked. I decided to lash our Z-Packs cuben fibre bear bag for food to a log, but woke up to a possum the size of a small wombat who'd chewed/clawed through the bottom corner of it and contaminated all that remaining dry food. We ended up walking back down the trail a few hundred meters at 1am to where there was a suitable branch to hang the garbage cuben bag from (worked fine). Left with almost no food, we had to turn back early! All night other parties were screaming out that rodents/possums had found their way into tents!
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Re: Food storage

Postby Mark F » Wed 19 Apr, 2017 10:13 pm

I live and learn. I have never experienced that but I always hang my food or keep it inside the tent not just the vestibule.
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Re: Food storage

Postby kitty » Wed 19 Apr, 2017 11:12 pm

Which campsite at wilsons prom?
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