MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby Jellybean » Sun 13 Sep, 2009 12:32 pm

Hi all,

Well, I’ve finally made my decision too – after umming and ahhing about whether to buy the second tent (good reasons provided here for and against) and then the size (bivvy, two man, one man) I’ve decided: yes, I’ll buy another tent and it will be a MSR Hubba Hubba HP (slightly larger - interior and vestibules - and lighter and has less mesh than the Moondance 2). Although expensive here it’s very competitively priced in the US (around $400USD). I did also consider the Nallo 2 (I’m tall for a girl – 6’1” or 185cm depending on whether you’re imperial or metric – so I guess would “fit” that) but really prefer the 2 doors/vestibules – I generally hike with someone else. (However, if I ever feel the need to add a 1 man to my arsenal, the Hilleberg Akto will definitely be in my sights! Nice!).

N.B. I would’ve considered the new Macpac Macrolight too if there was more information around about it (exact specs, cost, pics) and I knew for sure it would be available for the next major trip.

The Olympus is starting to get towards the end of its life. To maximise that, I'll use that for trips that require a 4 season tent (have done some snow camping in it – loved it and would like to do some more – that’s what it was originally bought for) or where there is a shortish walk to a base camp; and use the MSR for more extended/move on each day 3 season hikes.

‘Thought briefly about the bivvy again but if I am honest with myself the only time I would use one would be as a back-up when using huts.

Brett, thanks also for sharing your justification for gear purchases – tent versus hotel room costs – I like the way you think! Now, if I can just find a similar justification for my other gear purchases … :D

Re the knees – I’m mid 40’s (ain’t old at all Paula – except for those much younger than us!!) and alas, I can’t blame anyone but myself! :? Apart from the general wear and tear from an active life (I don’t regret any of it), I took a chunk out of the back of my patella (knee cap) – in a climbing (scrambling) fall in Nepal a few years ago; and lost most of my medial meniscus after catching an edge skiing and falling badly in 2004 but, c’est la vie – worse things can happen.

Paula, yes I’ve done a few sections of the Bib but not as much as I’d like to! (Yet). When I was still living in WA (and for the first 8 years here in Sydney – I’ve been here 15 years) I travelled a lot for work/sport and had little time for hiking. I’ve been making up for it since!

Just two last questions…. we’re going to the WOJ (amongst other places) in November. Is there a need to treat drinking water there? Is a -5 bag recommended there (as per OT) too?

Thanks very much for your help – this is a great site!

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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby corvus » Sun 13 Sep, 2009 5:09 pm

Just two last questions…. we’re going to the WOJ (amongst other places) in November. Is there a need to treat drinking water there? Is a -5 bag recommended there (as per OT) too?

Thanks very much for your help – this is a great site!

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Drinking water in WOJ is good ,treatment not required provided you source it from sensible flows.-5 Bag yes as you can expect s
now and cold temps any time in the Tasmanian high country.
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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby Jellybean » Mon 14 Sep, 2009 7:09 am

Thanks C.
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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby kanangra » Mon 14 Sep, 2009 8:58 am

I have a Hubba Hubba and find it very good. The HP is even better so you should be fine. NB The fly on the HP is larger and so there is less problem with rain getting in underneath it. Enjoy!

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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby NeedBetterAlias » Mon 14 Sep, 2009 3:49 pm

Hi gentlemen - thank you once again for some really excellent information, and the photohike link was really useful too (a lot of work seems to have gone into that, well done). Oddly enough Brett, had found my way to the Badger GWS before reading your comments, so has reinforced that as worthy choice and then Corvus's suggestion has now thrown a very enticing looking bag into the mix. Do you have a -10 bag, Corvus? What is the weight of your bag? Wasn't much detail on the website, although have asked for more specs.
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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby NeedBetterAlias » Mon 14 Sep, 2009 4:14 pm

Hi JB - good to hear you've made a decision! Also looking forward to the report on the HP - the vestibule size was the only thing putting me off so will be interesting to hear if it's sufficient to store packs etc. It's still lurking there as an option over the Nallo.
And of course, you're absolutely right, we're still young whipper snappers in our 40's...so keep telling myself..over and over and over.... :)
Thanks again everyone, really appreciate all the expert and thoughtful advice.
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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby blacksheep » Mon 14 Sep, 2009 5:02 pm

Brett wrote: As for the absence specifications on Macpac products this appears to be a common theme so rouse up Blacksheep by PM.



Cheers Brett


I have sent the spec to several folks who have requested it-but of course not on-line yet/ not released for a couple of weeks.
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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby corvus » Mon 14 Sep, 2009 5:27 pm

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I have a -5 Pure and Dry and including Stuff Sack it weighs 950g and I have found it to be perfect for me ,on our last snow trip I did not use my silk liner (adds around 2% ) and just kept my fleece pants and puffer jacket on,did not need to do up the zip or use the hood .
Main reason for doing this was shared tent space (not fear of cold), continual snow which was hard to keep out of the tent whilst getting in and out and knowing I would need a comfort call or two during the night and not wanting get dressed /undressed I stayed dressed(wee bottle has been purchased for future use) so if you like the idea of those Happy living Geese bequeathing their cast off insulation for our use go for a Warmth Unlimited Bag :)
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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby Jellybean » Mon 14 Sep, 2009 6:48 pm

Hi all,

Sent a PM to Cam (blacksheep) re the specs for the New Macpac tents and received a very prompt reply (thanks Cam!).

If anyone would like a copy of the full brochure (all of the new tents) please send me a PM with your email address and I’ll forward it to you.

New range will be out at the end of this month and there will be a 30% off all tents sale in the first week of October. The Macrolight will be $649-30% = $454 then.

Specs for the Macrolight
Freestanding
2200mm long, 1300mm wide (internal) + 650mm (vestibules) either side
1000mm peak height
Floor area: 2.8m sq.
Vestibule area: 2 x .71m sq.
UV30 SI fly, UV coated
Torrentwear Light floor (5000mm)
2 DAC Featherlight NSL poles
Swiftpitch (not integral)
Dual entry
Multiple vents (and pockets!)
Total/in use weight: 2.2kg/2.0kg
Packed size: 41 x 14cm
Colour: Juniper (Darkish Green)

Nice option. Slightly more internal space and smaller packed size than the MSR Hubba Hubba HP - and very competitive intro price - but a little less vestibule space, a little heavier (2.2kg vs 1.93kg), and 5000mm vs 10000mm floor of the MSR. They are my top two of those considered, with Mont Moondance2 3rd.

Microlight (1 man) is also very nice! 1 pole, same canopy material, heavier duty floor - 10000mm (I'd actually like to have that in the Macro as well), multi-pitch, single entry with double doors, 2200 L x 1300 W(some is vestibule) x 1000mm H; floor area: 2.0m sq; vestibule area: 0.8 m sq.; 1.6kg/1.4kg; Packed size: 41 x 14; cost $449.95 - 30% (intro week) ($314)

P.S. Will report back on my purchase when received!

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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby Jellybean » Sun 20 Sep, 2009 10:34 am

Hi all,

Just a quick update.

Don't you love it when you decide to make a gear purchase and discover that the item you're after is on sale!? The MSR Hubba Hubba HP retails here for approx $899AUD but $449USD in the States. Humpo had indicated that e-omc had them on sale for $398USD which I thought was a good deal with the strengthening Aussie dollar. On the day I purchased I Googled one more time to see if there were any better prices. Got the last day of a sale by C & C Outdoor (http://www.ccoutdoorstore.com/) and picked up the tent for $225USD and a footprint (to provide more pitching options) for $40USD - total outlay including postage $357AUD. Stoked (Will be even more stoked when it arrives ok!).

Also found some more pics of the tent, interior, and fly, in case anyone is interested. See below:

Full specs, some photos at:
http://cascadedesigns.com/msr/tents/fas ... hp/product

Fly:
http://www.moontrail.com/msr/hubba-hubb ... d-fly.html

Tent body, including interior:
http://www.moontrail.com/msr/hubba-hubb ... -tent.html

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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby Nuts » Sun 20 Sep, 2009 2:39 pm

All online 'stores' are not created equal. I sincerely hope it works out but I have had some dramas with that particular store...
Be sure it was the right model you purchased, chase it up soon to ensure that they will in fact end up shipping MSR (this week :roll: ), also make sure they actually have it in stock.... other than that -well done, best of luck with your new tent :wink:
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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby kanangra » Mon 21 Sep, 2009 8:31 am

You have done very well. Excellent price. I have found US retailers to be very reliable. I have the Hubba Hubba and I think the HP looks superior. The internal storage looks handy. The fly looks as if it comes closer to the ground which should stop rain splashing up and in. The inner looks as if it will keep in the warmth better and those vents at the end look good. All at a considerable weight saving to the Hubba Hubba too.

Enjoy

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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby Jellybean » Mon 21 Sep, 2009 12:41 pm

Nuts wrote:All online 'stores' are not created equal. I sincerely hope it works out but I have had some dramas with that particular store...
Be sure it was the right model you purchased, chase it up soon to ensure that they will in fact end up shipping MSR (this week :roll: ), also make sure they actually have it in stock.... other than that -well done, best of luck with your new tent :wink:


Thanks for the heads up Nuts. Like Kanangra, I've never had any problems with US online retailers (and I've used quite a few!? :D ), but I haven't used these guys before. The proof will be in the pudding I guess. I nearly posted to see if anyone had used them but didn't :shock: . I did check to see that they were an authorised MSR dealer (they are) and the website says that it is the current model (I realise that doesn't mean that's what they'll send). Other sites that I use also regularly have significant markdowns on some items (and have been legit) so I took the risk this time. I did only buy the tent and footprint (I was after some other gear too) in case there was an issue. Have received an email to advise that it has been shipped, will know soonish what it is they've shipped. However I will follow up with a phone call tonight to verify. Fingers crossed.
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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby Jellybean » Mon 21 Sep, 2009 12:46 pm

kanangra wrote:You have done very well. Excellent price. I have found US retailers to be very reliable. I have the Hubba Hubba and I think the HP looks superior. The internal storage looks handy. The fly looks as if it comes closer to the ground which should stop rain splashing up and in. The inner looks as if it will keep in the warmth better and those vents at the end look good. All at a considerable weight saving to the Hubba Hubba too.

Enjoy

K.


Hi K,

Thanks! As mentioned above, I've also never had an issue of any kind with US retailers, hopefully that reputation won't be tarnished by these guys!? Yes, I was really happy with the specs for the HP. Looking forward to using it!

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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby Nuts » Mon 21 Sep, 2009 1:51 pm

Hey JB, no, look, you may have no issue, ihad a couple of successful transactions with them. I have actually linked to them before here (as they sell Zamberlan boots). Just that i have had two 'not so' and the last one took a long time to resolve. Let us know what your experience is like? If they have sent a shipping ticket then you should be ok.
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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby Jellybean » Wed 23 Sep, 2009 12:13 pm

Hey Nuts,

After an exchange of emails with Diane (C & C), I am confident the package will be delivered eventually, however they are certainly not quick to ship items. Although they told me the item shipped last week, it has only just been recognised on the USPS website (it normally only takes 24 hours) and it doesn't appear to have left the US yet.

You are not alone in having had problems with this company, see: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/reviews/display_reviews?forum_thread_id=4868

I think many of the issues with C & C stem from the fact that they keep very little stock and often have to get items in when an order is placed. This can result in extended delays in receiving orders. Their systems for managing this also seem to be sadly lacking. They should be up-front about this on their website (they may be afraid of not making a sale, but they probably lose alot of repeat business because of their failure to be up-front). I'd be pretty hesitant to use them again, although I did get a great (I hope) deal on this tent. There are much more efficient and reliable on-line retailers out there. This site provides a customer review of on-line retailers:
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/reviews/category_display?cid=67&id=jbQsTxJn:220.245.32.222

I think the reviews with the bigger sample sizes (more people reviewing) are probably a better indication of the reliability (or otherwise) of a store than those with only 1 or 2 reviews.

I have used both Sierra Trading Post and Backcountry.com alot and have found them to be both efficient and reliable with excellent return policies. [N.B. Backcountry.com have expensive international shipping costs - I get around that by using shipitto.com - it provides me with a US mailing address - I ship the items there - generally free of charge - pay them $8.50USD and they provide a range of shipping options (varying prices) to ship on to Australia - I choose the most appropriate one. This is also useful if a particular site will only ship to a US address]. I've also just used Basegear and e-omc for the first time. Basegear have been great on this first occasion - very efficient! E-omc, like C & C, have been very slow to ship.

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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby Nuts » Wed 23 Sep, 2009 1:55 pm

hmmm, yer... Dianne, she was very apologetic, but it went on for months....

My experience with the others you mention:

Baegear are good (20%off to join up...)
OMC havent had any problems (honest shipping costs)
Sierra, would have to be the best -bargain wise, though there does seem to be a reason for most things being so cheap...

I have (in the past) used a small Victorian based forwarder, very cheap option.....

All the best with your tent :wink:
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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby foxpro » Wed 04 Nov, 2009 1:06 pm

Hi guys,

I was looking for a new 2-3 people tent today, found this thread and all the useful information in here, started to look for a MSR Hubba Hubba on the US websites, and then went for a new MSR Mutha Hubba Ultralight Tent - 2008 Model for $225 on special + $64 s/h to Aussie @ sunnysports.com via PayPal (http://www.sunnysports.com/Prod/MSRTMH.html). AUD330 is not too bad for a new MSR delivered. I'm happy as. Thanks all.
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Postby ILUVSWTAS » Wed 04 Nov, 2009 3:49 pm

Packaged Weight 7 lbs. 6 oz.

That doesnt sound too ultralight to me??
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Postby foxpro » Wed 04 Nov, 2009 7:39 pm

Well, the term Ultralight stems directly from the MSR marketing blurb and is not my spin.
Anyway, for me 1kg/person in this tent is still a huge improvement over the one it replaces. And by far the best I can accommodate w/in my budget.
When we use it for 2 persons it will usually go into a double kayak so that not every gram counts and on occasions all 3 of us go hiking with it the weight ratio is great. Way better then the old leaking BBQ Galore :D one we have put through a lot of use.

Inside looks roomy:
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews ... 0Estrella/
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Postby ILUVSWTAS » Wed 04 Nov, 2009 7:42 pm

Hahaha very good point! It does look freakin huge inside!
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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby eddie the eagle » Tue 13 Apr, 2010 12:46 pm

Jellybean wrote:Hi all,

- Mont Moondance 2 - have not yet found someone who actually has used one!?

Cheers,

JB


Hi JB,

WHile I know you've got the tent already, here's my feedback on the Mont Moondance II

It's a small two person tent, but two person nonetheless - Hard to fit two packs and adults in the tent, not a lot of space between the mesh inner and outer fly to fit a pack there (ie: vestibule is small but just passable for the pack - need to move the pack to get out of the door.)

Survived a really high wind without any dramas at all - the rain dripping off the outer skin of the tent was picked up by the wind and some was blown into the mesh/tent as the wind blew through, but this was a high wind, not an average one. [edit: if the toe's pitched into the prevailing wind, this would not happen, just wasn't possible in this instance.]

I bought four extra pegs after the windstorm and completely peg the thing down. The Mont peg design is one of the best that I've come across.

Cheers,

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ps: Someone else's review
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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby Azza » Tue 13 Apr, 2010 1:12 pm

I got the MSR Hubba Hubba HP on sale from CampSaver (25% off) for $330USD or something like that. By the time it was delivered I think it was $400AUD total.

Being a light weight tent, I'm pretty happy with weight. Its a little squishy with two blokes. Fine for couples. I even carry it for just myself.
My biggest criticism is that its not as stable as I'd like. My first trip in it was the southern ranges where we encountered some seriously strong gusty winds of the 100kmh variety, which did their best to tear the tent apart. The supplied guy ropes weren't enough, so I've had to retrofit additional ones.
Once its well pegged out its quite stable, but even a moderate breeze really does put a lot of stress bending the whole thing, it tends to shake violently left and right in the gusty wind where you have that top pole over the door ways. When you get hit in the head by the pole while lying down you know you've got problems.

However pegged out properly its pretty good, and as long as you realise that its a light weight tent and don't expect it to survive a hurricane.

In contrast the one person Hubba HP seemed to be more stable. A slimmer profile and didn't catch the wind as bad.
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Re: MSR Hubba Hubba vs Mont Moondance 2 - any thoughts?

Postby panda10 » Tue 13 Apr, 2010 7:58 pm

Moondance has a small anex but is still good
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Postby ninjapuppet » Fri 23 Apr, 2010 10:59 pm

aljscott wrote:I got the MSR Hubba Hubba HP on sale from CampSaver (25% off) for $330USD or something like that. By the time it was delivered I think it was $400AUD total.



Thats awesom! how long ago was this?
Ive tried buying from a few online retailers but none sent me anything from cascade designs. I recently saw a neoair regular for AU $100 + 40 postage. i put in the order (they had an option to choose australia as a destination and NSW as a state), paid by credit card................THEN got an email from them the next day saying they dont ship cascade designs to australia!!?!?!? WT *$&#, and refunded me. :(

My friend bought a msr Titan kettle from moontrail, then when i tried to buy one, they said they wont ship here!?!?! go figure
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